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Hi, I have been really enjoying this car so far. However, I finally got to punch it today after breaking it in and noticed that sometimes the gearbox does not shift when manually pulling/pressing the paddle. This happens mostly in full throttle around 4-5k rpm. For example, it would shift super fast from 1st to 2nd, then 2nd to 3rd also instantly, but 3rd to 4th it would ignore my action completely when I pull the paddle to upshift, wait a few seconds, then shift to 4th. I found it weird and wanted to see if anyone else has experienced this. The mode I see this issue in is manual mode (stick to the left) and with "sport" mode enabled.
 

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Some video reviews.

I watched and read allot of reviews on this car before purchasing it. I have the 6mt and most of the reviewers were using the manual as well. The few reviewers that had the DCT mentioned the fact that the transmission would not always respond to their wishes and do what it wanted to. Maybe look up some of these reviews. One guy calls himself, Savage Geese. I know I am not much help on this issue. Will keep an eye on this thread though, My GF may get one of these with DCT when the time comes to replace her 2012 Elantra. I have taught her to drive stick in case she ever needed to use one of my vehicles but she would always buy an Auto, or in the case of DCT, a computer controlled manual for her own car. Hope some one with a DCT will respond and be more helpful than I.
 

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Just watched the review and agree with the guy on all points! I like how unbiased and simple his review is. But really disappointed in this DCT issue as I was totally blown away by how fast it shifted overall and I didn't get on the throttle for some time to break the car in, but when I finally got to put the pedal down it just did not shift as fast, plus ignoring the driver commands sometimes which is very odd behavior. Maybe the Tork guys will come up with a tune to fix all the annoying things about the car, including the laggy throttle.

The reason I didn't get a manual transmission this time is because I've had manual cars most of my life and just wanted to finally have a dct, but I was trying too much to compare it to the dct in the M3/M4 which i've driven a few times. I know that's asking too much, but why not... Other than this, the car is awesome. Just need to make it a bit louder too.
 

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Just watched the review and agree with the guy on all points! I like how unbiased and simple his review is. But really disappointed in this DCT issue as I was totally blown away by how fast it shifted overall and I didn't get on the throttle for some time to break the car in, but when I finally got to put the pedal down it just did not shift as fast, plus ignoring the driver commands sometimes which is very odd behavior. Maybe the Tork guys will come up with a tune to fix all the annoying things about the car, including the laggy throttle.

The reason I didn't get a manual transmission this time is because I've had manual cars most of my life and just wanted to finally have a dct, but I was trying too much to compare it to the dct in the M3/M4 which i've driven a few times. I know that's asking too much, but why not... Other than this, the car is awesome. Just need to make it a bit louder too.
I test drove the DCT and found the same issue. I really gave it the beans (much to the worry of the sales person:eek:) in the corners (1-->2-->3rd gear) and it was ok. Highway was where I floored it 3rd-->4th. It wasn't too bad, just...weird. I got the 6MT!
 

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I bought the DCT. It seems that when I go to shift it quickly, it lags a bit since it's internally still trying to preselect the next gear. If you go 2nd to 3rd then try to go straight into 4th, the other set of gears in there is still trying to preselect 4th for the shift to happen. Knowing this, you learn how you have to change your manual shifting habits. When in auto mode in the city, the DCT is amazing. Quite surprising given how this transmission technology has been notorious for sluggish and jerky city performance.

The DCT is all about being predictable to the transmission. Then it becomes perfect. When going to pass on the highway, I let off the gas and manually downshift to 4th. It gets there faster than just flooring it in Auto, and then I can fly by someone. The DCT in Sport mode, also seems to be more or less expecting a downshift at low revs (below 3500) when flooring it and an upshift otherwise.

DCT was the only one I could get my hands on anyway. Sport mode is awesome. :D
 

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Since I made my last post about being unhappy with this dct I've learned more about its quirks and how to use it better. You're right, it does take time to get into 4th if shifted too quickly in a row. Not an issue on other dct cars I've driven though (m3, s4, gti, etc). But there is a workaround. If you go from 2nd to 3rd, and then do a later shift into 4th letting it Rev up around 5k or more, it goes into 4th instantly. Otherwise it just ignores you and shifts when it's good and ready, so it seems like it's a flaw at first, but I think it's like a way for the engine to prevent being short shifted at higher throttle inputs and bogging it down. In auto mode just cruising it is an amazing gearbox. With a louder exhaust you really hear the up and down shifts and it's super fun. Once you replace the factory muffler all the burbles and pops get louder. Also, it's crazy how heavy the stock muffler is!

I agree on letting off of gas when downshifting just like in a manual car. That applies to any type of driving, even mellow just cruising. It downshifts seamlessly with no throttle. Otherwise it just gets confused and becomes jerky and takes way longer to fully lock into gears. I notice in auto mode it has a solid 2-3 second delay for it to downshift on the freeway and start going under full throttle. Otherwise, like you said, in manual mode it downshifts and moves super quick, from 7th to 4th in less than a second. In auto it just can't drop down to those low gears fast with throttle applied, same logic as letting off gas in manual mode. So your method is exactly how I have been driving it.

On a side note, another thing I've discovered recently is that leaving the diverter hose unplugged on dct cars is a not a good idea. This applies to any aftermarket intakes that do not have a way to reattach the hose. After going back to stock intake I kept the hose open for the bov sound. I noticed some subtle lag in between shifts. It took longer to build boost again and felt like the car was falling on its face a bit. Once I reattached the hose the issue went away.
 

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Anyone know if this DSG will ever get a tune like the VW GTI or Jetta DSG? I've been reading tons on both cars and there are some definite complaints about the DSG transmission. Especially at low speeds. Apparently a tune makes the DSG near or perfect in every way.

Would probably be nice for Elantra Sport DSG owners to have the same option. Anyone heard anything? Future maybe?
 

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Anyone know if this DSG will ever get a tune like the VW GTI or Jetta DSG? I've been reading tons on both cars and there are some definite complaints about the DSG transmission. Especially at low speeds. Apparently a tune makes the DSG near or perfect in every way.

Would probably be nice for Elantra Sport DSG owners to have the same option. Anyone heard anything? Future maybe?
I don't think the German application will ever have an effect on the ES' DCT. That said, Hyundai hasn't had the best reputation with their DCT, i.e Tucson. Also, Hyundai application is a dry system. DSG is a wet system if I'm not mistaken.
 

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I don't think the German application will ever have an effect on the ES' DCT. That said, Hyundai hasn't had the best reputation with their DCT, i.e Tucson. Also, Hyundai application is a dry system. DSG is a wet system if I'm not mistaken.
Correct.

/strokes REAL manual knob... ;)
 
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